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PostSubject: Casting order for locks?   Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:50 pm

Well im using SB SB SB SB SB Life tap life tap Repeat
Seems to easy, am i doing it right?
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PostSubject: Re: Casting order for locks?   Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:04 am

Hi im Ho wrote:
Well im using SB SB SB SB SB Life tap life tap Repeat
Seems to easy, am i doing it right?


Well I was personally just thinking, is corruption not worth it? 2 second cast for a free
little dot while SB spamming. Oh and then theres going to be one less curse so I'd assume
CoA or CoD.
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PostSubject: Re: Casting order for locks?   Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:01 am

Depends on their spec...

Affliction locks get an instant corruption...
Destructo-locks get to searing pain stuff... right?
Shadow bolts are the money for demonology specs (with the pet buffs)


I haven't played my warlock much... much less... for PvE...




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PostSubject: Re: Casting order for locks?   Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:11 pm

How many of you were waiting for me? Eh? Eh?

The two second window used to throw corruption does alot of damage for sure if your Demon Sacrifice/Shadow and flame for the purpose of shadowbolt spamming, but it can't crit. In raids it is very imprortant to put up the improved shadow bolt talent effect, and keep it up. Corruption at your, and the raids, own peril.
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PostSubject: Re: Casting order for locks?   Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:14 pm

On many sites I have read that immolate is worth putting up unless you have the 4 set T6 bonus. Immolate and SB have similar coefficents so unless you're +shadow is way ahead of +dmg, Immolate is good. I have also read that Corruption should also go up if you have the 4 piece T5. But I'm not too sure on that and if I remember correctly, our T5 isn't that great.
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PostSubject: Re: Casting order for locks?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:07 am

Mack,

Destro doesnt searing pain (causes high amount of threat) its incinerate.
And shadow scales alot better then fire.
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PostSubject: Re: Casting order for locks?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:24 pm

I guess ill just have to try, since theres no theorycraft web like the mages have >>
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PostSubject: Re: Casting order for locks?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:36 pm

Holphylerr wrote:
I guess ill just have to try, since theres no theorycraft web like the mages have >>


Download RAWR, the link is in my mage thread.
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PostSubject: Re: Casting order for locks?   Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:33 am

as far as raiding is concerned, on single target the only time I cast anything BUT SB is at the initial pull. The only reason for that is for aggro, and me not wanting it from the get go. But after that 2 seconds is up, its nothing but boom boom boom with the SB. That's how you pop that DPS chart. The less you cast SB, the less damage you do plain and simple. Also, to add that cherry on top, around 10% on your target(depending on how fast its going down, you'll have to get used to the timing) after that last shadowbolt, pop that shadowburn for and extra 1.5 to 3k and GG
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PostSubject: Eye of Mag question   Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:22 pm

Good replies for the casting order everyone, now i have another question.
I have the mag of eye..and i want it to proc, but im not sure how much spell hit i should have, right now im floating at 185, i currently have the +15 spell hit, now if i regem my gear i would -7 spell hit making in 177, but i would gain 20 spell damage putting me at 1302, now is that a good decision considering i have the eye?
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PostSubject: Re: Casting order for locks?   Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:10 pm

Holphylerr wrote:
Good replies for the casting order everyone, now i have another question.
I have the mag of eye..and i want it to proc, but im not sure how much spell hit i should have, right now im floating at 185, i currently have the +15 spell hit, now if i regem my gear i would -7 spell hit making in 177, but i would gain 20 spell damage putting me at 1302, now is that a good decision considering i have the eye?



Resist = bad

Say your shadowbolt hits for 4k, boss resists. Thats 2.5 seconds wasted.
You would need enough spell damage for all your sucessful spells to do
a total of 4k extra damage.
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PostSubject: Re: Casting order for locks?   Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:56 pm

as long as youre on the ball, just try it out and see what you preffer. Spell hit is nice yes... But you can still pull off retarded dps without it. Take last night for instance. I was 2nd on dmg.... But I was in almost ALL pvp gear, with about a 86 spell hit rating. It is true that spell hit is awsome, it doesn't always mean you HAVE to have it. That's the biggest problem I see with so many players... Bcause some other guild is far and they have classes at a certain spec or gear setting, everyone thinks its set in stone you HAVE to be a carbon copy. Not true. My advise to you is just try one out, then the other and comare wich suits your playstyle the best. Gear doesn't always make you better, it just makes it easier for you to not have to work as hard.


Btw- resist = bad... But not as bad if you get a nice big chunk of dmg boost IF your spell is resisted... True?
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PostSubject: Re: Casting order for locks?   Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:35 pm

Depends on HOW often your spell is resisted...

High spell miss = alot of procs, but resists WHILE its procced
High spell hit = low proc rate.


the eye is still one of the best trinkets because of its raw spell dmg.

Oh and i put you in on rawr holph and casting corruption at all reduces your dps by ~100
and you would need to gem differantly.


And you were 2nd dmg on what last night?
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PostSubject: Re: Casting order for locks?   Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:42 pm

He was second on trash
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PostSubject: Re: Casting order for locks?   Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:12 pm

Holphylerr wrote:
He was second on trash



You dont need hit for trash.
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PostSubject: Re: Casting order for locks?   Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:34 pm

i don't think trash means alot, espeically if it is AoE Arrow
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PostSubject: Re: Casting order for locks?   Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:48 am

Holphylerr wrote:
i don't think trash means alot, espeically if it is AoE Arrow

What i meant was.... You dont need the full 16% hit on trash mobs.
You need 5% to cap hit for anything Non-raid boss.
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PostSubject: Re: Casting order for locks?   Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:24 pm

Julailton wrote:
Holphylerr wrote:
i don't think trash means alot, espeically if it is AoE Arrow

What i meant was.... You dont need the full 16% hit on trash mobs.
You need 5% to cap hit for anything Non-raid boss.



Why would you spend !3k! on a turtle silent
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PostSubject: Re: Casting order for locks?   Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:01 am

I'm just a little confused as to why people assume you HAVE to do things a certain way or youre wrong. I've been at the top 3 on dmg almost every time I go to a raid. And making a comment like oh its just trash just sounds, well rather negative. To be quite honest I think the only caster who has out DPS'ed me in a raid in this guild is Juls. But that's really not the point I'm trying to make here. Case in point, I have run #1 on DMG on kael, solarian, vashj, and so on with pvp gear, ( less than 10% spell hit ) so yes resists do suck, but whats that say if you pull out DPS like that and youre STILL beyond your other DPS'ers? Maybe you should see what theyre doing wrong. And any good 2 pc t5 Mage can smoke a lock in AOE. Seeds dont keep up with imp AE. Sry I'm rambling, half asleep.
just reading these posts and it almost seems like I'm being cut down. " he was second on trash " all I know is if I see someone above me on the charts, I try to find out what they do compaired to what I did, not try to make what they did seem like it doesn't matter, just makes you look jealous and spiteful.
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PostSubject: Re: Casting order for locks?   Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:27 pm

Heh I only say trash meters dont matter because not all classes can do everything on trash.

Mages -> sheep
Afflic locks -> die before dots
Etc.

And I agree, if we both had infinate mana and there was no hostile AoE dmg AE > seed.

But We have to be smack dab in the middle of the mobs for it to work while 'locks have a ranged advantage.

But yeah whatever Razz


And uh, 2p t5 doesnt do anything for AE Razz.
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PostSubject: Re: Casting order for locks?   Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:39 pm

Rydya/Babinka wrote:
Case in point, I have run #1 on DMG on kael, solarian, vashj, and so on with pvp gear, ( less than 10% spell hit ) so yes resists do suck, but whats that say if you pull out DPS like that and youre STILL beyond your other DPS'ers?


It just means you could've done 10% more damage in the long run... helping the raid.

If you're running around in T6 equiv PvP gear, yes, you outgear everyone else in the raid who are running around looking for T5 equiv PvE gear..... but you could do 10% better.
More DPS w/o aggro equals less time it takes to kill a boss
equals less healing mana being sucked up by the tanks
more phat lewts quicker



I miss the raid... someone... get me back into my house.... STAT!
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